Название | : | Roger Ver (BU) vs Tone Vays (SegWit) - Bitcoin Scaling Debate |
Продолжительность | : | 1.12.08 |
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Просмотров | : | 58 rb |
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One glaring inaccuracy RV said that's wrong was about Lightning channels closing and the corresponding on-chain tx He said people would lose their money if it wasn't included in a block on time All this time he's been in Bitcoin, and he still doesn't know what the mempool is? Ouch Comment from : @zachcain |
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roger was wrong Comment from : @PaulHowardCPA |
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segwit adoption 50 now :D roger failed that prediction Comment from : @glxs9539 |
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I agree with Roger Comment from : @zombiasnow15 |
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Roger Ver wanted his own coin and for this to happen he was willing to kill BTC Shame on him Guys like this is why he have a ton of shitcoins delaying the BTC mass adoption Comment from : @peritowerner |
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Reserving bitcoin for only the rich is fucking gross This guy is the enemy of bitcoin Comment from : @DavidBond99 |
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It is all about censorship resistance and decentralization If you forever increase the block size eventually smaller miners will not be able to fill up the blocks in time as more powerful miners/big mining firms confirm transactions faster We already have a system of fast digital payments that we use everyday with the banks What makes Bitcoin special is it's decentralization and that is why it must be preserved for its value Scaling is an ongoing area of research but the consensus is that on-chain scaling is less secure, more decentralized, and more censor prone Comment from : @zg6453 |
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49:30 FacepalmSurvivor is about politics, not meritbut yes, a lot of mediocre people do get carried along in the popular group Comment from : @nembitcoins354 |
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Calling Andresen a weak was not your best moment Tone Comment from : @oltrelanarrativa |
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Lol ver talks censorship look at what he has done to bitcoincom lol deceiving people! Comment from : @ryanshaeffer103 |
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Segwit and Lighting are working VER LOSES AGAIN LOL Comment from : @ryanshaeffer103 |
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ROGER VERS BITCOIN CASH SPAMMED THE BITCOIN NETWORK FILLING BLOCKS JUST TO TRY TO MAKE A POINT BCH IS A HUGE SCAM TO FILL VERS POCKETS Comment from : @ryanshaeffer103 |
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luckily bitcoin (BCH) survived and is intact as it was since 2009 newcomers can do their bitcoin core (BTC) / lightning coin science project, but it will fail because it is economically unsustainable high volume, low transaction fees > low volume, high transaction fees Comment from : @other2718 |
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This video a year and half later is why the narrative that BTC has the best developers is false Irresponsible developers do not allow performance issues to cripple the product - this was allowed to go on for longer than a year, finally deterring big name merchants (Steam) from being able to accept itbrbrThe developers did not do their job by deciding to implement a radical modification that is a marginal performance increase vs implementing the simple fix to dramatically increase performance The scaling debate is over - BCH won Comment from : @JoshuaHenslee |
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wwwccncom/bitcoin-cash-network-highly-centralized-49-of-all-nodes-run-on-alibabas-facilities-bitpico/ Comment from : @ray6976 |
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Why not allow the blocksize to increase until the lightning network is functional? Instead of strangling it prematurely Comment from : @brennanhm |
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what can you expect from sheep that support censorship? BCH is the true bitcoin Comment from : @ajopasoij9d00 |
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This is the video quality people have to take the time to listen to Comment from : @wiselies1470 |
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It’s sad we have to argue, I don’t own any bitcoin cash , only bitcoin But at the end of the day this is a whole community any crypto currency that tries to help the world shouldn’t be bashed , we as a community stick together , and fight against the centralized world Comment from : @michaeltaveras6920 |
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"Gentrification" ( As Andreas Antonopoulos discussed is happening) Now with Reddit Plain & simple! Comment from : @lilybrogan1440 |
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Roger sounds like a Winey BCH Big picture safety is more important than short term cry babies Comment from : @dlove303 |
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Tone Vay's doesn't mind $100 transactions What an idiot, blinded by his own maximalism Comment from : @garryg2279 |
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I like Tone but he looked like a dumbass in this Comment from : @nicholasanderson9019 |
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Well one thing is for sure, this arrogant Roger Ver guy does not know any humility Right or wrong, at least have the sense of carrying out a debate and not insult people you share the stage with! What good will you bring to the world if you cannot treat the person well sitting next to you? Comment from : @JishuSharma |
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Nice poke 4 dashorg hhh Comment from : @alexmazal-nirexpress1233 |
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Fuck, are they trying to lose the audience with that horrid intro???????? Comment from : @totalbullion5882 |
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😂🤣🤦🏻 Comment from : @jesusislord4243 |
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Roger can't debate He can't maintain a dialog Comment from : @priscillam1495 |
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tone vays got rekted Comment from : @minhtran98 |
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Oh jesus How can anyone possibly think that Roger Ver is the winner in this debate? He really thinks he scored big by pointing out that Tone Vays used "an appeal to authority" when explaining why he actually listens to the computer scientist (experts/authorities) Here's the thing folks, in the philosophy of logic - the appeal to authority is valid!!! As long as the authority that you appeal to is actually a true authority I mean, even appeals to appropriate authorities can be fallacious but that's not my point Roger Ver needs to learn a little bit about philosophy of logic before he keeps saying "that's just an appeal to authority" Comment from : @jaredbabcock5534 |
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Roger the winner as always Comment from : @juhu8487 |
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"Do you want Bitcoin for everybody?"brTone: "of course I do, but I feel we need to do it in a safest possible wayand safest possible way is with smartest developers in the room who I BELIEVE they created SegWit" & "I trust their judgment" What if they're wrong?brbrIs this your best answer for "Bitcoin for everybody"?brbrSegWit is NOT a scaling solution Comment from : @ak-jl8px |
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I wouldn't buy btrash if it is $1 right now Comment from : @tony18mo |
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Roger was definitely bullied at school Comment from : @thejourneyofone2425 |
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Roger Ver sounds like a complaining, whiny bitch you likes to humiliate everyone who doesn't agree with himAnd it annoys the shit out of me when people call Bitcoin "the real Bitcoin" Bitcoin core, for God sake B Cash was a fork that just used the name, period! Comment from : @markymark3340 |
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gavin is satoshi Comment from : @12WeMet1 |
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bcash is so rude Comment from : @leoxu3620 |
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Satoshi Nakamoto is like Jesus for these guys It's kinda scary Comment from : @rexmentula1089 |
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Man the host is a prick Roger I have one word for you: Bcash! Comment from : @WesleyArchbell |
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Roger Ver is a confident man Comment from : @aaguirre123 |
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Man o man, I cannot stand Rogers voice Comment from : @veugeler72 |
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Lol brTone says 1 year ago( lightning is ready to go)brb**crickets**/b Comment from : @daniellurkin |
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Fun to watch this one year later WTG Tone Comment from : @chase337 |
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22:14 "Segwit is not going to activate" get rekt by history you bitcoin judas FUDder Comment from : @Andrew-ho4vq |
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Roger Ver: "Mt Gox is solvent, Segwit is never going to activate" Comment from : @Andrew-ho4vq |
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I don't give two shits about buying coffee with Bitcoin Good old fiat is great for everyday transactions until Bitcoin lightning is ready Comment from : @AbhiPobbati |
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Roger Ver Criminal Intent!! Comment from : @pohoiki922 |
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BCash is sealing it's own fate with FUD and negativity BCash is obviously seeking to use a centralized approach Don't agree? No one can speak authoritatively for Bitcoin, can the same be said for Bitcoin Cash? They have a CEO Is there a CEO of Bitcoin? No ^uck consensus, Roger knows better than developers? Comment from : @frogman007 |
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one year on the problem still not solved, to be honest all the points roger give are legitimate , this hardfork is a bad idea thought because it can cause a split is just pathetic, bitcoincash forked away and are better for it,its better to not get involved with technical discussions if you know nothing, this chat goes in favor of Roger Ver , if not technically minded how can you judge if the ones trying to pull the wool over your eyes are really the best developers Comment from : @leondavibe |
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Roger is awesome Plain and simplebr The smear campaign set against him is one of the slimiest instances of garbage I’ve ever seen Comment from : @goodluckwithallthat |
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They both have good points Comment from : @dannymandebo9507 |
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Rogers a broken record Comment from : @JD666B |
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Even if you hate Roger, his arguments cant be ignored If transaction fees get so high BTC will fail I no longer use BTC, I either go with LTC or ETH I use it only if there is no other way Its slow and expensive Comment from : @splash1124 |
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Bitcoin was designed as a store of value -- not to be used to buy cup of coffee (litecoin is good for that) If technology allows it to scale without changing decentralized nature - Great What Roger Ver is talking about is centralizing bitcoin because only large miners will be able to run nodes for larger block size and this changes a major characteristic of bitcoin - which is the security in decentralization Ver is an opportunist and a liar, do not trust him -- he and major chineses miner Jihan Wu are in collusion Create your own coin Roger - you are not the president of bitcoin and you do not speak for the millions of owners Oh right, you can't make a coin because you are not a developer -- just a corrupt business guy looking to cash in Comment from : @19battlehill |
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"before we start I'd like to point out that I used bitcoin fiiirrrrrrsssstt!!!" ffs smh what a little pest "All these other people came along and changed my blocks awoouuund!!!" He sounds like a spoilt fucking child Comment from : @merlinanco2265 |
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God I hate Roger Ver Comment from : @merlinanco2265 |
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I really don't understand why anyone would want to spend BTC in the first place spend the depreciating fiat USD while it still has some value before the buying power goes even lower Comment from : @cryptodent3976 |
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I don't understand the hate for Roger Everything he is talking about in here is completely logically in-line with the BTC whitepaper and I share his reactions to the decisions made by Blockstream Comment from : @twonulator |
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Why is Roger Ver someone to listen to not because of his education or training, as he has little but because he was the first buyer of bitcoin BY his own admission, this is his claim to "credibility " in the space Bitcoin Cash is an alt coin that will have no technical reason to exist once we have lightning network transactions If it was a normal fork , it would stand on its own merits instead of trying to claim its the real bitcoin, which obviously is not the case CEO of Bitcoin? Give me a break no training, few skills The real contender for #1 in market cap is Etherium and it isn't as much a combatant as a partner! Roger made Bcrash look bad and now people have ot point out what's wrong with it and there are problems with it Comment from : @frogman007 |
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Tone is a content creator for bitcoin yet he doesnt even use bitcoin lol He said it himself He is a shill and is probably payed to promote nonsense This guy is an idiot Comment from : @VirtuaFighterRPG |
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Well seems most people have missed the main point here Segwit increases the block size anyway, so yea seems people trying to stop increasing the block size are lying to us They must have another agenda Comment from : @RemoteSpeed007 |
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Sorry Tone you have little skin in the game, don't use bitcoin much and you just don't know enough of the whole picture to debate Roger, putting all your faith in what some programmers that are paid by banks tell you is dangerous, on this video a year ago you said they are almost ready - it's now a year Later and segwit has not being implemented, most of the big players have stopped using BTC (Microsoft-Bitpay) and have or are switching to BCH I think it's game over for BTC, just did a transfer and the fee to move $2000 of BTC was $165, this is not sustainable, only reason I'm even here writing my thoughts, is because I care that we get the best coin for everyone in the world MOST PEOPLE DON'T CARE ENOUGH, THEY WILL USE THE COIN THAT WORKS WITH REASONABLE TIMES AND FEES Comment from : @RemoteSpeed007 |
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BTC core adherents don't convince me! Comment from : @potstrond |
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BitcoinCash BCH did a hardfork to switch its difficulty algorithm less than 3 months ago and it was so smooth that almost no one even knows about it ! it also did NOT split the BCH chain in two Proves that a hardfork is still the best & safest way to make a protocol upgrade BCH is by the way going to upgrade by hardfork every 6 months (agreed roadmap already) and the next one is in may 2018 Comment from : @BestMentalism |
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Segwit has debunked Roger Ver's lie about bitcoin high network fee, I still don't get why people would buy outdated Bcash when there is litecoin Comment from : @gwmkwan |
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youtube/UYHFrf5ci_g Comment from : @seano1977 |
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Its crazy how bad I hated roger at this point of time but almost a year later I am seeing more and more online shops drop BTC all the progress lost waiting for some complicated lightning Network Comment from : @jimjones6329 |
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roger ver is just a businessman he owns bcash Comment from : @fedriconunez3564 |
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Reddit is just peanut gallery, c'mon, what are people going to learn from reddit besides memes The irony is most people go to bitcoinDOTcom to learn first and foremost That's actually what I did when I first heard of bitcoin, i checked to see the dot com site Such irony Comment from : @jimmmyz169 |
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I love that first analogy! I love the coders and visionaries, not the peanut gallery! I'm really excited for lightning network with segwit, the potential is just currently unfathomable! Comment from : @jimmmyz169 |
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Keep up the great work 🤜🔥🔥🔥🤛 Comment from : @criticalthinkingalways3378 |
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Why do The Best Devs On Earth™ have the worst shills on earth? Comment from : @clivemossmoon3611 |
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That dude on the right DOES NOT NEED TO BE TOUCHIN THE LEVELS THAT MUCH!!! Comment from : @AndyNicholson |
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Slow and expensive Tone Yes that make sense Comment from : @mauriciogomez2880 |
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Small blocks, high fees and slow confirmations create demand for off-chain solutions, such as Liquid Blockstream sells Liquid to exchanges to move Bitcoin quickly on a side-chain LN will create liquidity hubs, such as exchanges, which will generate traffic and fees for exchanges With this, exchanges will have a higher need for Liquid This will be the main way that Blockstream will generate revenue for its investors, who invested $76 million Otherwise, they can go bankrupt and diebrbrSearch for and read: "Lightning Network Will Likely Fail Due To Several Possible Reasons"brLN will be centralized and regulatedbrbrOne of Blockstream’s investors/owners is AXA AXA’s CEO and Chairman until 2016 was also the Chairman of Bilderberg Group The Bilderberg Group is run by bankers and politicians (former prime ministers and nation leaders) According to GlobalResearch, Bilderberg Group wants “a One World Government (World Company) with a single, global marketplace…and financially regulated by one ‘World (Central) Bank’ using one global currency” LN helps Bilderberg Group get one step closer to its goal Comment from : @jlp0 |
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Ver is a linguistic programmer Comment from : @michaelr4776 |
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Congrats Tone, keep up the good work, there's only one bitcoin Comment from : @mariovandevyvere8252 |
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back to grassroots britches bch ftw Comment from : @ajvhan |
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fuck tony Comment from : @ajvhan |
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Roger ver is such a narcissist Comment from : @amandadoran8979 |
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Roger Ver destroyed Tone with his first sentence Comment from : @MGeeify |
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