Were the Ancient Macedonians Greeks?

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They were edomites, right?
Comment from : haddid bezama

No
Comment from : Merlin Lin

Why you don’t say if ancient Μακεδονιανς this is how we rite now the Greeks the names is makedonians is the same like that ancient time brThe same letters the same name brGo now to Skopje brThey come in this territory 1000 years before,so they have nothing to do with the ancient Makedonia brBut the take ur name and the call this Serbian language Macedonian,why you don’t say anything about this !!!!
Comment from : Pascuale Coopy

THIS IS THE TRUE MACEDONIAN LANGUAGEbrPella katadesmosbrThe Pella curse tablet is a curse or a magic spell (Greek -κατάδεσμος) inscribed on a lead scroll,dating to the 4th century BCbrIt was found in Pella, at the time capital of Macedon , in 1986brIt is an attested text in the ancient Macedonian dialekt, a Greek dialektbrbr<<1 Θετίμας καὶ Διονυσοφῶντος τὸ τέλος καὶ τὸν γάμονbrκαταγράφω καὶ τᾶν ἀλλᾶν πασᾶν γυ-br2 ναικῶν καὶ χηρᾶν καὶ παρθένων, μάλιστα δὲbrΘετίμας, καὶ παρκαττίθεμαι Μάκρωνι καὶbr3 τοῖς δαίμοσι καὶ ὁπόκα ἐγὼ ταῦτα διελίξαιμιbrκαὶ ἀναγνοίηνν πάλιν ἀνορύξασαbr4 τόκα γᾶμαι Διονυσοφῶντα, πρότερον δὲ μή· μὴ γὰρbrλάβοι ἄλλαν γυναῖκα ἀλλ’ ἢ ἐμέ,br5 ἐμέ δὲ συνκαταγηρᾶσαι Διονυσοφῶντι καὶbrμηδεμίαν ἄλλαν ἱκέτις ὑμῶν γίνο-br6 μαι· Φίλαν οἰκτίρετε δαίμονες φίλοι, δαγινάριμεbrφίλων πάντων καὶ ἐρήμα· ἀλλὰbr7 τα φυλάσσετε ἐμὶν ὅπως μὴ γίνηται ταῦταbrκαὶ κακὰ κακῶς Θετίμα ἀπόληταιbr8 αλυνμ εσ πλην ἐμός, ἐμὲ δὲbrεὐδαίμονα καὶ μακαρίαν γενέσται>>
Comment from : warda fournello

Dr Kennedy starts with a completely wrong aspect This has nothing to do with nationalism at least from the greek side You cannot just claim another country's history and just point out the nationalism over the reaction of the people There is not even one northern Macedonian citizen who cant read even a phrase in sculptures discoverd in greek Macedonia, yet they claim to be the original macedonians And Dr Cennedy believes that is an issue between nationalists
Comment from : TheoYiago

MACEDONIA IS THE OLDEST NAME AND WE ARE PROUD TO BE MACEDONIANS , Macedonia was and will be forever , greek is greek nothing is the same with Macedonia
Comment from : Phil

The short answer is yes The longer answer is that they were Greeks speaking a quite peculiar northern dialect At least this is the consensus of the majority of linguists and philologists
Comment from : Antonio Torcoli

No
Comment from : Otto von Bismarck

"Characteristic of this assumption was the intellectuals' viewpoint vis-a-vis the place of Ancient Macedonians in Ancient Greek history Over the 1794-1841 period, at least fourteen intellectuals (among whom prominent figures like Panagiotis Kordikas, Adamatios Korais, Alexandros Soutsos, Georgios Kozakis-Tipaldos, and Iakovos Rizos-Neroulos) expressed the opinion that the Ancient Macedonians were not part of the Ancient Greek world(9) The Macedonians were considered conquerors of Ancient Greece, the first of a series of invaders that kept the region under their rule for more than two millennia" Victor Roudometof In his book "Nationalism, Globalism, and Orthodoxy"
Comment from : Shoahshana Goldberg-Shekelstein

The answer is no They were an Illyrian people who conquered the Greeks
Comment from : Shoahshana Goldberg-Shekelstein

Ofcource was Greeks, people must studie, thats an easy question and no debatable if you do your homework
Comment from : the gee kay

What a silly debate! Things are so simple really The Macedonians were as Greek as the indisputable Greek roots of the name "Macedonia" itself suggests - from Doric greek "μακεδνός" (long/tall), from "μάκος/μήκος" (length) To this day the Greek language uses derivatives of this root, as in "μάκρος" (length), "μακρύ" (long) and its Attic Greek form as "μήκος" Linguists generally agree that the name Makedonia originally was coined to mean a long stretch of land "μακρυά" (far away) brbrGreek words borrowed into english to form new ones, like "macroeconomy" are also testimony to this
Comment from : PANAGIOTIS TERPANDROU ZACHARIOU

Yes the Macedonians were Greeks Technically just like Canadians and Mexicans are Americans
Comment from : Phillip Jordan

How about Cleopatra, was she Macedonian Greek since she descended from Ptolemy ? Also Alexander the Great, why was he often referred to as Macedonian Greek? By Amelia
Comment from : Arthur Balcita

Lots of Gypsie romani people live in egypt and romania and the city that calls itself roma but in france theyre called bohemians because they came from czechia
Comment from : The Lotharingian

Never ever exist Macedonians Greek, are you out of your mind
Comment from : Boban Ilievski

Dr Kennedy says in 640" Ancient authors distinct macedonians and Greeks ( which is correct ) but she didn't say that ancient authors also distinct Clearly the macedonians from barbarians which is more important document, because it means , the macedonians WERE NOT BARBARIANS IN ANCIENT SOURCES and thus indirectly gives the responce to her original question Why she is doing this ? For my opinion she wants to make a for The Balkan natiolalists who are delighted to such hot "stories " This is the reason she is mixing modern history and current disputes among modern nations in balkans with antiquity Giving food to nationalists for keyboard hating I wonder what link can have the Yougoslav slavs and their "national making " in a debate question if the ancient macedonians were greeks or not ? Do the Yougoslav slavs have any link with antiquity and the ancient Macedons and we don't know it? But The most comical part is the last conclusion whether the anciet macedonians were greeks or not Dr Kennedy says to the readers [Take whatever answer you want [o]l😂 Really nonsensesThe Readers lost their time watching a mess
Comment from : KXa

CALL IT WAT U WANT FACT IS FACT TO SEPARATE COUNTRIES 11:21
Comment from : MACEDONIA SKOPJE

NO
Comment from : Roberto Argiolas

This is all pro Greek propaganda You need to look deeper for facts It is the modern Greek state that has usurped Macedonian history
Comment from : Michael Peterson

GREEK ITS ONLY ONE NATION WHO CELEBRATE KILLER OF GREEK PEOPLE ALEXANDAR OF MACEDON 🇲🇰🇲🇰🇲🇰
Comment from : Snhshshsbsbsv Heheheheheh

Ive had a similar discussion with a Macedonian lady What she told me was interesting She said the ancient Macedonians were a different ppl than who they are now She said the current population is Slavic I understand the ancient Macedonians to be Edomites
Comment from : Wicked Hebrew

Yes they was
Comment from : Charlie

By greek costitution "a greek is a christian orthodox,that speaks greek and feels greek"
Comment from : Pranvera ohri

Ridiculous!Thre are no greeks even i Greece today but the arvanites
Comment from : Pranvera ohri

No we are Macedonian only 🇲🇰🇲🇰🇲🇰
Comment from : Vera Plevnarovski-Ripiloski

Search About it --- League of Corinth,
Comment from : Ysti65

Macedonians were not Greeks
Comment from : Nicolas giansante

Αυτός ο τύπος είναι περήφανος Μακεδόνας Όχι Άραβας μεταλλαγμένος Τα Σκόπια είναι Μακεδονία, όχι Αθήνα Ο Αλέξανδρος ήταν Μακεδόνας και όχι Έλληνας brΟι Σκοπιανοί Μακεδόνες είναι πραγματικοί ξανθοί Μακεδόνες που είναι αληθινοί με το DNK, το σημερινό ελληνικό DNK είναι από τη Λιβύη άραβες τσιγγάνοιοι Μακεδόνες είναι ξανθοί και όμορφοι
Comment from : Jovica Bonevski

There is no such thing as "Macedonian" ethnic group This is a story made from the fabric of imagination that was propagated by Greek traitor communists and Tito afterwards Hell the 1913 treaty of Bucharest was between Bulgaria Greece Montenegro Romania and Serbia They have Slavic ancestry they speak a variant of Bulgarian that got deliberately changed in 1945 so they can have enough differences to call it "Macedonian" Their ethnic background is Bulgarian , Albanian, Serbian, Greek and Gypsy for the most part Everything they are trying to misrepresent as Macedonian is of Greek heritage They want an identity and propaganda worked hard towards that so there can be another reason for Nato to have a base there
Comment from : Jinn Dante From Gr

why Greeks always hide that Macedonians speak Bulgarian, by saying they speak Slavic ?brThere is no 4-th language between Albania, Greece & Bulgaria
Comment from : John Smith

Did Philip of Macedon had Greek passport? Or Slav Macedonian passport, which all documents are not valid for Slav Macedonians 😅😅
Comment from : L R1

Macedonians were taking part in the Olympic Games End of Story PS I see a certain inability of some American Scholars to comprehend what Ancient Greece was about
Comment from : Γιάννης Μπάλλας

Of course you don't remember when the slavs came Into that area
Comment from : yorgos19681

No
Comment from : Μιτρέφσκι

Και αυτη η γυναίκα εχει πτυχιο και διδακτορικό ρε φιλε Αμερικανοι, τι να πεις
Comment from : lepil00

It’s not a nationalistic thing here Slavic Macedonians claim to be the only Macedonians That’s false and they use the region to take it away from everyone brbrAncient Macedonians even if they weren’t originally Greek became Greek End of debate
Comment from : Tomas Razelo

The final say here Even if Macedonians weren’t originally Greek they mixed with Greeks way before any Slavs came to the area so… They’re Greek or became Greek and mixed with Greeks vs Slavs taking over a region and saying only they are Greek
Comment from : Tomas Razelo

When you have city-states and kingdoms you’ll have people have layers of views Like New Yorkers saying how they’re better than Chicagoan’s
Comment from : Tomas Razelo

Some had even called Spartans barbarians We’re they? Nope Just smack talking Putting down another group
Comment from : Tomas Razelo

Homer said they were Greek
Comment from : Tomas Razelo

They are Greeks it is not unclear,,, I do not like to admit it, since we have disputes with greeks, but you check the facts
Comment from : Ronald Schark

Ralatively objective points (unlike Wikipedia)brbrAlso, the modern Macedonian nation is mix of Slavs and Ancient Macedonians (as well as other ancient people from the region of Macedonia)brbrAnother point is that just 100 years ago, the Aegean part of Macedonia was populated mostly by Ethnic Macedonians brbrThese "Greeks" who live in Aegean Macedonia now are mostly people who came from Turkey in the 1920s (Turkish Christians and some Greeks) Before that, the Greeks were the smallest minority in that regionbrbrAlso, there was a sad process of ASSIMILATION and many Ethnic Macedonians from that region were forced to become Greeks (literally they were forced to change even their personal names to greek ones) In addition to that, 100,000 ethnic Macedonian children were forced out of Aegean Macedonia, into modern day Republic of MacedoniabrbrSo, this region of South Macedonia (or Aegean Macedonia as we call it) became greek today by force Just 100 yeara ago we were the most dominant nation in the whole region of MacedoniabrbrSadly for us, we didn't succeed in the idea to create Ethnic Macedonia (United Macedonia)
Comment from : Blazhe Spireski

Time will come remeber???
Comment from : Vanco tasev

I don't know what type of water turkey gives to drink to this anatolia people today call Greeks for 400 years
Comment from : M T

BRO MACEDONIANS ARE FROM GREECE BECASUE MACEDONIA IS IN GREECE
Comment from : Q

It’s modern politics that ask this question, it started with the Greek civil war in the 1940s-50s when Greece had communist uprising A party called the NLF backed by Yugoslavia pushed the Slavic Macedonian identity on Greek inhabitants or they would put their village to the torch our village was one of those that refused the communists Tito was hoping to annex by claim of Macedonia through name and renamed his southern province Macedonia from Vardaska The communists failed but the indoctrination over the border never stopped These peasants immigrated to the west spreading the myth of Macedonia In the early 20th century they identified as Macedonian Bulgars their church to their language is Bulgar Not to mention the Macedonia they used to refer to was the Eastern Roman /Byzantine empire territory which was termed for all of northern Greece including Thessaly Even MtOlympus This is what these Slavs claim up to as theirs even though they were the medieval invaders of the 6th century It comes down to Cold War propaganda end of story
Comment from : Alex fatgee

The frame of this debate is Greeks vs Macedonians as if it is some unresolved debate brbrThe history combined Archaeological findings tell us they were They were considered Greeks for centuries brbrAnd the descendent kingdoms of Alexander were Greeks and they considered themselves Greeks this didn't only happen in the 4th century brbrCleopatra clearly considered herself as GreekbrbrIt's only the Slavs who challenge this
Comment from : Nick S

Mrs KENNEDY you should remember when Alexander was declared the Emperor of the Hellenic states and he was given the authority to expedite to Asia and get revenge for the destruction of the Greek city states from the Persian army The declaration of war was pretty clear about that , and don’t forget a ton of other things … so this dispute is crap
Comment from : konstantinos manolis

That like asking if the Irish are British brGood luck with that
Comment from : Andru Anutu

"for as Greeks, we should not be slaves to barbarians"br-Alexander the great
Comment from : Tasos K

That bubble head should be barred from entering Greece again
Comment from : hoplite101able

So no mention of the persian colonization of masadonia? So much happened, we don't know Alexander was white right? Yep Oh yes, he was an invader, he was bad No other invaders to mention, cause they skin wasn't white, so :) What a joke
Comment from : Brent Clouda

i wonder if in another 1000 years european decendents will still be having heated disputes about who did what at the dawn of civilization & will it have even less significance in the grand scheme of things than it does right now 🤣
Comment from : Lucas80

Macedonia never Greek
Comment from : Guest

Alexander the great communicated with the greeks only with the help of translators
Comment from : Igor Pijetlovic

@darko We are talking here about ancient Greece not the Balkan wars The word Greece (GRECIA) and Greek (GRAECII) are terms that the Romans used to describe the Hellenic people and their country Hellas The ancient Macedonians were a northern Greek tribe br Why are you bringing up th Balkan wars here of 1913??? Why are you confusing the issue here with the Balkan wars of 1913???? There is no such thing as "native Macedonian" people The Ottoman administrative region of Macedonia (Ottoman Macedonia) had a mixed population in 1911 of Bulgarians, Greeks, Turks, Albanians, Wallachians, Jews and Gypsies In the Balkan wars Greece annexed only the part of Ottoman Macedonia that constituted the ancient Greek Kingdom of Macedonia The part of Ottoman Macedonia that constituted ancient Paeonia went to Serbia (which is now Republic of North Macedonia) brJust because the Bulgarians of Macedonia started calling themselves "Macedonians" in a regional sense in 1900 doesn't make them native, and tried to grab the whole of Macedonia for themselves, doesn't make Macedonia exclusively theirs, what about the Greeks, Albanians, Wallachians, Jews and Gypsies who also lived in Macedonia?? Anyway the Greeks won the Balkan wars and annexed the part of Ottoman Macdonia that constituted ancient Macedonia and it became part of Greece again after 2000 years as Philip and Alexander wished
Comment from : Rafaella Garibaldi

Just some DNA testing could solve this issue
Comment from : ssumrall70

Hell no!!! Macedonian was not even a dialect
Comment from : borce miovski

What a peaceful comment section full of peaceful arguments between slav nationalists and greeks
Comment from : Entity_001

You are not able to answer this question because you are not from there and limited knowledge of Macedonian incontinuo By no way , I repeat by no way are the Macedonians ethnicly Greek , but the elite accepted the Greek cultural zone and influence but that is not making them Greek and they can not become Greek but yes they can get some Greek customs or Greek cultural influence !!!
Comment from : B Przin

This lady needs a husband another useless historian
Comment from : KRAYZIE WIZ

Historian expert: Macedonians and Helenic people looked at each other as differentbrAverage Greek: nooooo you're wrong my prime minister told me we're Macedons
Comment from : Kristijan

Are Americans English or are they Chinese? Obviously there are differences between the Americans and English but if in the future a province of China broke off and called itself the United States of America would this ever be a topic of debate?brbrI think you’ve managed to confuse people by not asking the real question: how Macedonian are the ‘Macedonians’
Comment from : Steve Mitsos

If you put Albanians into the picture things become much more clearer and you start understanding the real history (not the fake one told by slavs and greeks nationalist) brMacedonians were Illyrians Greeks and Albanians have the same heritage: Illyrian/Pelasgian
Comment from : Ben B

They themselves claimed to be Greek and are certainly NOT slavic The ancient capitals of Macedonia are in GREECE! ALEXANDER THE GREAT WAS 100 GREEKbrbrGreetings from the UK
Comment from : Pete Fortune

Yes
Comment from : c man 2007

If macedonian elite spoke classical greek from Attic region the people itself spoke a greek dialect of the northwest gelated to dorian There are facts that give evidence for this The led tablets written in greek script using a greek dialect Have a look to the Pella Curse Tablet dating back from the beginning of the IV th century BC Other tablets have been found revealing the same greek dialect
Comment from : Gerard Combes