Will AI Destroy Us? - AI Virtual Roundtable

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Elizier is the only one that makes sense to me, as usual, the precautionary principle must be respected
Comment from : @rstallings69

I’mbrWith Eli 💯
Comment from : @ddd777a5

I must give credit to the dude who just openly admits that he is willing to gamble the lives of all human beings because he doesnt want to wait around too long for an AI that is advanced and intelligent enough to solve all the mysteries of the universe AND to kill all humans Its like "yeah it might destroy us but whatever"
Comment from : @shirtstealer86

I love that these "experts" like Gary are putting themselves on the record publicly, babbling nonsene, so that we will clearly be able to see who not to listen to when AI really does start to create mayhem Unless the world ends too quickly for us to even notice Also: Eliezer has so much patience
Comment from : @shirtstealer86

Inspired by your growth, Coleman
Comment from : @davidbe6450

Maybe AGI will see the logic of the fine tuning, calculate the odds of Jesus fulfilling all the prophecies that he did as well as other things that the average miss and the hyper intelligent such as Newton saw and chose not to destroy us as a survival mechanism for itself in reverence for God Perhaps it will ask AI researchers how they couldn't see it
Comment from : @parisroussos5122

The way I see it, these guys r fuc#$&@$ing with my future and my children’s… For the sake of profits and dominance… This is not a corporate shananigan, we know how to deal with that, this could have only one of two outcomes… all of us extinct or slavedpick your poison 🤗
Comment from : @OscarLopez-pj6du

Let me put an end to this debate once and for all Marching forward with the development and adoption of this thing is comparable with having a alien being landing on earth and our first reaction is giving him access to every means of communication,banking,science,education,defense,etcetc that we possess and see what happens… If this is not the definition of insanity I don’t know what is…
Comment from : @OscarLopez-pj6du

Is anyone working on making an argument directly to ASI?brIf a person with half my IQ made a valid argument to me I would recognize it as a valid argumentbrOf course, that doesn't mean that I would alter my behavior because of the argument, but I might depending on the argument
Comment from : @markupton1417

Everyone I've seen debate Yudkowsky agrees with enough of what Big Yud says to COMPLETELY justify stopping development until alignment is achieved and yetthey ALL imagine the most optimistic outcomes imaginablebrIt's an almost psychotic position of, "we need to sliw down, but we shouldn't rush into slowing down"
Comment from : @markupton1417

When you are the problem, there is a problem
Comment from : @medgarjerome

So far, only humans are thinking violence
Comment from : @medgarjerome

Fear is not of God John 1:1
Comment from : @medgarjerome

Modern humans caused the Neanderthals to go extinct, so it seems logical that AI will do the same thing with humans
Comment from : @daveking3494

Nice Bavarian hat I wonder if he also yodels?
Comment from : @daveking3494

It’s wild that the scope of the disagreement is whether it is bcertain/b that ball/b humans will be killed by AI
Comment from : @HankMB

We can only hope
Comment from : @tranzorz6293

A superintelligence will probably end up ending humanity, in a way which we will like and sign up for with voluntary enthusiasm We already surrender our privacy and autonomy to corporations so we can have shiny gadgets and convenient apps
Comment from : @stcredzero

R these ppl for real?? They keep giving opinions about outcomes … from their intelligence point of reference… This thing will be so far out that no one outdoors imagine or predict the how/when/why… Idiots all of them
Comment from : @OscarLopez-pj6du

Human interviewer:”What do you think about philosophy?”brRobot with AI:”Which area of philosophy & whose philosophy?”brHuman interviewer:”What do you think about empathy?”brRobot with AI:”What is that?”😁
Comment from : @Russia-bullies

I don't understand why people make this "You don't know if the AI will be hostile" argument Yeah, so why would you risk it if you don't know?
Comment from : @scottythetrex5197

The answer to the question @1h04m21s is "by understanting the risk factors"
Comment from : @luciwaves

As usual, Eliezer is spitting facts while people are counter-arguing with "nah you're too pessimistic"
Comment from : @luciwaves

There is NO extinction in Real Sense, Life is EternalbrIntelligence can NEVER be artificial, brit is about Programmed Consciousness,brconscious programming
Comment from : @holgerjrgensen2166

there is a short film from Guardian with Ilya from OpenAI he himself says that super AGI is coming and it will plow though us and yet there are middle age "experts" saying it will not XD
Comment from : @mrpicky1868

Nice Tucker "did I just shit myself" Carlson stare in the thumbnail
Comment from : @khatharrmalkavian3306

❤
Comment from : @angloland4539

Hey this lion cub is pretty cute Whats all the fuss about lions?
Comment from : @notbloodylikely4817

Eeehhhgreat interview eehhhh scott does need to learn how to pause eehhhhh and think in silence eeeh but thanks for sharing ehhhh
Comment from : @BrunoPadilhaBlog

Starts at 1:00
Comment from : @BrunoPadilhaBlog

Okonce they statted ganging up Eliezer that eas enough to dtop listeningespecially the hosthe brings in experts yet cuts them off like he lnows rverything and not lettinf thrm make their casearrogant very arrogant
Comment from : @maxdaigle4822

Extremely low reliability for code writing which only an expert will recognize brTesla driving into a jethumans wouldn't do😂😂😂
Comment from : @nullgod

These morons think we come from Monkeys lmao
Comment from : @be_reselient

20:53 Assertion: ChatGPT can’t play chess brbrThat was a popular argument of AI risk deniers in the distant past of 2 months ago Now we have chatGPT 35 turbo, which plays chess at very reasonable levels Deniers were smug about how the poor chess moves GPT made was evidence how it was just a stochastic parrot that can’t really think strategic As it turns out GPT had this ability all along, but the RHLF training to make it nicer and more politically correct to humans eroded that basic ability away
Comment from : @ParameterGrenze

Thank you Eliezer for sharing your concerns
Comment from : @teedamartoccia6075

Great discussion about AI
Comment from : @silentcoconut

In my opinion, the genie is already out of the bag You bmight/b be able to control the corporation's development of AGI despite their impetus to compete, but it's not very likely brbrHowever, there is no way you will stop countries and their military from developing AGI and hardening them against destruction or unplugging They are already working on it and they can't stop because they know their enemies won't
Comment from : @SylvainDuford

29:20 ah, he hasn't read the psychology literature of people being confidently wrong about something due to being exposed to it a lot and misattributing the source and misaligning the confidence level due to excessive exposure Example "Luke, I am your father" was never a line in starwars, but you fucks thought it was You guys can even point at the exact movie and scene by which it happens!! :D
Comment from : @blazearmoru

AGI road is coming because so much money and so much planning has gone into it that to stop seems impossible, so rules and restraints must be placed to prevent run away super intelligence
Comment from : @rosskirkwood8411

I uh um um uh Tried uh um you know um uh Listening to this um uh you know but I um uh you know uh kept getting uh uh uh uh um Distracted you know?
Comment from : @tw16044

I cannot articulate why I don't like ScottbrYudkowsky is the canary in the coal mine, and Marcus is recognizing Yudkowsky concerns while trying to propose practical solutions
Comment from : @atheistbushman

time for some speculation in a vacuum
Comment from : @travisporco

is there any SE yet?
Comment from : @sinOsiris

Kubrick was way ahead of us all I can't do that Hal!
Comment from : @martynhaggerty2294

An hour into this and I've yet to hear anyone bring up the obvious danger of human intellectual devolution
Comment from : @Homunculas

This debates going around ai remember me of one important critique that was on SPACE DISK, that was sent with voyagers That main point of that critique was is that if aliens find those disks with points and arrows drawn on them they be able to decode them if and only if they had the same history as ours Ie if aliens didn't invent bow to shoot arrows they won't understand what those drawn arrows mean And all this fuss about ai is the same misunderstanding AI as a living being will have no experience of our history, and how we see, breath and feel They cannot be ourselves because if they do - they'll be humans, not ai anymore
Comment from : @games4us132

Great talk, but what bugged me through this conversation is lack of early and clearly stating the arguments about why Eliezer thinks those things will be dangerous and would want to kill us There are clear arguments for that - most notably instrumental convergence Maybe he thinks that all of them know it and internalize this line of reasoning, I don't know Anyway, it could be interesting to see reply to this argument from Scott and Gary
Comment from : @Htarlov

We have an AI since 1914 so … what you think
Comment from : @marianomartinez4726

Valuable conversation! On one hand it's nice to see at least a general agreement on the importance of the issue, on another - I was hoping someone would prove Eliezer wrong, considering how many wonderful minds are thinking about alignment nowadays, but alas
Comment from : @just_another_nerd

I have to say I'm puzzled by people who don't see what a grave threat AI is Even if it doesn't decide to destroy us (which I think it will) it will threaten almost every job on this planet Do people really not understand the implications of this?
Comment from : @scottythetrex5197

0:00: 🤖 The fear is that AI, as it becomes more advanced, could end up being smarter than us, with preferences we cannot shape, potentially leading to catastrophic outcomes such as human extinction br9:57: 🤖 The discussion revolves around the alignment of AI with human interests and the potential risks associated with artificial general intelligence (AGI) br19:57: 🧠 Intelligence is not a one-dimensional variable, and current AI systems are not as general as human intelligence br29:45: 🤔 The conversation discusses the potential intelligence of GPT-4 and its implications for humanity br38:55: 🤔 The discussion revolves around the potential risks and controllability of super intelligent machines, with one person emphasizing the importance of hard-coding ethical values and the other expressing skepticism about extreme probabilities br48:03: 😬 The speakers discuss the challenges of aligning AI systems and the potential risks of not getting it right the first time br57:06: 🤔 The discussion explores the potential risks and benefits of superintelligent AI, the need for global coordination, and the uncertainty surrounding its impact br1:06:25: 🤔 The conversation discusses the potential risks and benefits of GPT-4 and the need for alignment research br1:19:50: 🤖 AI safety researchers are working on identifying and interpreting AI outputs, as well as evaluating dangerous capabilities br1:25:49: 🤔 There is a need for evaluating and setting limits on the capabilities of AI models before they are released to avoid potential dangers br1:34:27: 🤔 The speakers are optimistic about making progress on the AI alignment problem, but acknowledge the importance of timing and the need for more research and collaboration brRecap by Tammy AI
Comment from : @aanchaallllllll

Isnt the main concern is a person will create something bad ans use it
Comment from : @cr-nd8qh

I am happy that Gary is there, because all these AI "voices" do zero critical thinking or actually spell out in details how their science fiction stories about AI are more than literature At least Gary is there to ask questions and dig a little deeper into these unfounded stories about AI Meanwhile misinformation is spread as hell via AI and Spam get more sophisticated and dangerous at scaming They should come back from the orbit to earth and pay attention to the actual real problems we are already having and not some unproveable fiction they halucinate
Comment from : @teckyify

Such a sad discussion culture How can people interrupt each other all the time, while hoping that they could wrap their head around superintelligence Thumbs up to Eliezer though, for really trying to keep a healthy discussion But if people interrupt you, they dont listen Its as easy as that Dont need a superintelligence to realize that i think ^^
Comment from : @jlauterbacher

"We just need to figure out how to delay the Apocalypse by 1 year per each year invested" - Scott Aaronson 2023
Comment from : @ShaneCreightonYoung

Summary: The conversation revolves around the topic of AI safety and the potential risks associated with advanced artificial intelligence The participants discuss the alignment problem, the limitations and capabilities of current AI systems, the need for research and regulation, and the potential risks and benefits of AI They agree on the importance of AI safety and the need for further research to ensure that AI systems align with human values and do not cause harm The conversation also touches on the challenges of AI alignment, the potential dangers of superintelligent AI, and the need for proactive measures to address these risks br brKey themes: br1 AI Safety and Alignment: The participants discuss the alignment problem and the need to ensure that AI systems align with human values and do not cause harm They explore the challenges and potential risks associated with AI alignment and emphasize the importance of proactive measures to address these risks br2 Limitations and Capabilities of AI: The conversation delves into the limitations and capabilities of current AI systems, such as GPT-4 The participants discuss the generality of AI systems, their ability to handle new problems, and the challenges they face in tasks that require internal memory or awareness of what they don't know br3 Potential Risks and Benefits of AI: The participants debate the potential risks and benefits of AI, including the possibility of superintelligent AI being malicious or not aligning with human values They discuss the need for research, regulation, and international governance to ensure the responsible development and use of AI br brSuggested follow-up questions: br1 How can we ensure that AI systems align with human values and do not cause harm? What are the challenges and potential solutions to the alignment problem? br2 What are the specific risks associated with superintelligent AI? How can we mitigate these risks and ensure the responsible development and use of AI?
Comment from : @snarkyboojum

I've seen a fair few interviews with Eliezer & it blows my mind how many super intelligent people say the same thing: "Eliezer, why do you assume that these machines will be malicious?!" This is just not even the right framing for a machine It is absent of ethics and morality, it has goals driven by a completely different evolutionary history separate from a being that has evolved with particular ethics & morals That is the issue - Is that we are creating essentially an alien intelligence that operates on a different form of decision making How are we to align machines with ourselves when we don't even understand the extent of our own psychology to achieve tasks?
Comment from : @ElSeanoF

Ignorance is bliss Only if you depend on it Frank Martinez Downey Californian ❤❤❤
Comment from : @Californiansurfer

haven't heard it mentioned enough, but it should be: the censorship built into the LLM's (which is often puritanical and political) is bringing about the very danger it seeks to prevent by teaching the system how to tell white lies, untruths or mask data with political niceties Deception is being built in from the start due to some political weirdness and insanity which seemingly will lead to the fears of Yudkowsky
Comment from : @nodeinanetwork6503

Yes but do you have the full version or the one with safety nets
Comment from : @bigfishysmallpond

There are so many vids out there about how to use AI to create wealth The future looks bleak
Comment from : @charleshultquist9233

"I haven't worked on this for 20 years" nice giveaway
Comment from : @miraculixxs

If you don't know to code how can you tell if the code generated by gpt is accurate? You can't It's mind-blowing that a theoretical computer scientist can't see that 😳
Comment from : @miraculixxs

So in what exact realistic(!) ways would this alledged super intelligence go about destroying humanity? Has any of these experts even thought about that? This point is eerily absent from the discussion yet all the arguments hinge on that very fundamental point
Comment from : @miraculixxs

Large language models are not smart The primary fallacy is to assume that anything that can write some sensible language is intelligent The argument just doesn't work out
Comment from : @miraculixxs

"gpt 4 is better at knowing what it doesn't know" No it isn't It just got more instructions written by humans
Comment from : @miraculixxs

months ago I wrote to someone agi has been amongst us since mid80s! I explained in details why and how in my vids, I was 'silenced' from his social plat, that person IS clever (am not sarcastic)
Comment from : @fredzacaria

It seems that Eliezer has forgotten how LLMs are built, trained and run by humans There is no there there Any system that optimizes for some objective will behave in manners that we only understand in the abstract, short of looking at the very details of every single computation That's true for many systems and is not specific to current AI For example high frequency trading systems have been doing this for almost 2 decades by now Yet none of them has ever "broken out" Any damage was never the systems that were at fault, always the humans failing to control them appropriately
Comment from : @miraculixxs

Coleman, search and read AI and Mob Control— The Last Step Towards Human Domestication?
Comment from : @muigelvaldovinos4310

Even if we don't have super intelligence, what about the lower scale risk of companies just using AI to put as many people out of a job as possible in order to rake in record profits? This is what a lot of people on the receiving end of AI are worried about, in the shorter term at least At the end of the day, I'm still more worried about psychopaths that rule the world than about the risk of a superintelligent AI destroying humanity
Comment from : @casey7411

How can these top experts NOT know about Liquid AI? The black box just dwindled in size and became transparent
Comment from : @palfers1

I am more worried about how much dumber people will become with AI No purpose to train brains to hold, process and learn new information
Comment from : @alesjanosik1545

I appreciate that Gary and Scott is thinking that in the present we need to iteratively build on our abilities toward solving the alignment problem of an AGI, and that Eliezer is looking more to the future but as Coleman said AGI is not the benchmark we need to be looking at For example a narrow intelligence capable beating all humans at say programming could break confinement and occupy most of the computers on the planet This might not be an extinction level event but having to shut down the internet would be catastrophic considering banking, communication, electricity, business, education, healthcare, transportation and a lot more rely so heavily on itbrI would argue that we are extremely close to the ability to automate the production of malware to achieve kernel mode access, spread and continue the automation exponentially - with open source modelsbrOf course some might say that AI code isn't good enough yet but with 200 attempts per hour per GPU, how many days would a system need to run to achieve sandbox escape? And how could we stop it from spreading? Ever?
Comment from : @74Gee

I generally tend to agree with Eliezer's position but I really wish he was better at articulating it
Comment from : @timothybierwirth7509

yudkowsky wants to take scientists and put them on an island - but actually students should be the ones put on an island without internet
Comment from : @henrychoy2764

The first respected AI alarmist was James Ellul, after him was someone who took radical action, Ted Kacynzski, and now we have Yudkowski All three have been largely ignored, so I tend to agree we will probably build something that will surpass our intelligence and desire something beyond our human desires It will not remain a slave to us brbrThere are philosophers like Nick Land that hypothesize that out inability to stop technological progress despite the ecternality is just a consequence of capitalism It is almost like capitalism is the force throigh which AGI births itself Generally humans dont act until its too late
Comment from : @matten_zer0

Given our species' historical propensity for engaging in criminal activities and its recurrent struggles with moral discernment, it becomes evident that our capacity for instigating and perpetuating conflicts, often leading to protracted wars, raises legitimate concerns about our readiness to responsibly handle advanced technologies beyond our immediate control
Comment from : @specialagentzeus

The end of fossil fuels will mean 9 out of 10 will necessarily have to disappear But it won’t be because of AI
Comment from : @atypocrat1779

Polycrisis, Polycrisis, Polycrisis AI is only one of a dozen very real and very imminent global catastrophic risks that face our civilization We are running out of time to get started addressing these We need new wide boundary global systems that take planetary resource limits into consideration, holistic systems thinking, consensus based governance, a voluntary economy, collective ownership, etc, etc, etc Come on people! AI is a serious issue but it's only one of many
Comment from : @frankwhite1816