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Perfect Imbalance - Why Unbalanced Design Creates Balanced Play - Extra Credits

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Talking about LeaguebrI am a main top (I play mostly tanks and fighters) and I realized that the best moment to play that champs is in the assasins meta, when everyone plays the champs that you counter, and leaving the hypercarries that melts tanks behind, and it works the same in the tank meta, in the tank meta everyone plays anti tank champions that counters you, but giving the assasins the opportunity to erase the hypercarries Comment from : González28

If only you would know what League of Legends would become, or character design of adding every ability on to the newest character and calling them perfectly balanced Comment from : Tis The Way

fast forward to today everyone is the same: too much CC and too much mobility Comment from : mechwarreir2

The section on cyclical imbalance is basically just competitive pokemon in a nutshell Comment from : Angel

This didn't age well He says countering champ A encourages people to play champ B What he did not account for is champs and builds with zero counterplay Or when champ A sells more skins than champ B, so they buff champ A and disorder the meta Comment from : Big Papa Smurf

Great points about the benefits of ever-evolving meta and interesting asymmetry(especially cyclical ones)brbrHowever, I disagree on the balance of Chess being the source of its defined strategies You can get a similar body of fixed opening theory in asymmetric, fixed setup, deterministic games as well The latter two traits seem to be much more significant in causing the "issue" of fixed openings That's why Bobby Fischer's proposed solution was to instead randomize the starting positions, but keep them symmetric and balanced(though there's still turn order asymmetry) Comment from : Revi M Fadli

Overwatch's Brigette absolutely shattered rule #1 for a whole year Comment from : Kizonn

I think you are trying to justify imbalance instead of seeing how important perfect balance is Comment from : Juju Kiki

bruh broodwar is a perfectly imbalanced game Comment from : dso1017

A 0/10 vayne who wins game alone is not perfect imbalance, is perfect way to the heaven of flamers and uninstall Comment from : YonRaptail

Doesn't "balance" mean that most possible playstyles have equal chances, and there is no single best option that beats any other option? What the video talks about sounds more like strategic randomness to keep games from getting deterministic Comment from : kangalio

The sword may be stronger than the axebrbBUT THE SQUARE PAN IS ETERNAL/b Comment from : Gameknight

it's only balanced when things are in your favor Comment from : Eli Gonzales

league of legends really is an excellently designed game and seem to have always been that way Comment from : Jonah Peacock

"This is a perfectly balanced game with no exploits" SPIFF Comment from : ΙΩΑΝΝΗΣ-ΠΑΥΛΟΣ ΚΩΝΣΤΑΝΤΑΚΑΤΟΣ

Well Since there's been a big celebration here, I'll call thisbrExtra Credits - 1ST MILESTONEbrACHIEVEMENT COLLECTED ON:brJuly 18, 2008 Comment from : NubbBot

this is actually the dumbest thing ive ever seen, i cant believe i wasted 5 minutes for someone to explain how rock paper scissors works Comment from : John Baptist

The flaw in this video is that a balanced game can do all the things he said He’s confused this with game “complexity” by using a deeply explored game like chess as an example Having elements with huge risk for that reward is great, which is what he’s confused with here The reality is true imbalance is when there is low risk high reward THAT is what imbalance is, not the learning experience Comment from : rockstar450

Lot of multiplayer games today face the never ending constant barrage or nerfs and buffsbrSome people love it and keep playing, other people hate and quit to look for another game Comment from : Lovevideos Collection

But League of Legends never gave me an option outside its predetermined choices :( sure, it's more elastic than DOTA2, but always feels too confining for me :( Comment from : Warbandit100

I dont like fast forward sound Comment from : tonytranvn

why not making a rock-paper-cisor system instead? ouo' Comment from : SinZeto

Can I be last? Comment from : Jakexsists

Thanos just broke out in tears Comment from : Kevin Koger

IF you play at 1/2 speed it sounds like he is very very drunk I noticed by accident but it was to funny not to share Comment from : Allen Fogarty

Bayonetta Comment from : Adam Dao

Rock Paper Scissors Comment from : Uhohhotdog Gaming

I miss these old days Comment from : T Gregory

It's 2020 and people are still playing the crap out of LoL Comment from : DoctorX17

This holds up as one of my favorite Extra Credit videos Comment from : Jordan Gonzalez

Come on balancing and no DotA 2? We have a god called Icefrog Who mind you is the original Balance and gameplay genius Comment from : julius gregorio

all of Supercell! Comment from : Marco

This used to be the Pokémon meta until they made all the legends disgustingly overpowered Comment from : kono

Honestly, part of what makes imbalance a bad thing in many respects is the "Meta" that you guys were talking about In fighting games or card games or even strategy games, creating a meta means that until another form of power creep comes into play, the majority of players will use a certain group of characters or tactics, basically creating mirror matches because of the high level of utility some aspects of a game has over others that go completely unseen or unused Its like choosing between gun or a sword to fight Comment from : Netherwolf6100

Halo 3 The Pit (fuck pit stop)brPerfectly BalancedbrOnly difference is red or blue armorbrbrbrbrOh I miss the good old days of bungie run servers Comment from : Alec nolastname

Chess definitely has a meta though Look at the evolution of any neural network chess engine during self-play? Comment from : Peter Smythe

Clash royale Comment from : Ggman2002 Goudeos

Ahhhhh That old intro Comment from : Marschall Blücher

It's not balance that makes chess "solve-able" unless you're defining "balance" wrong It's how finite the game is If the queen was slightly OP that would translate into having fewer strategies because of everyone focusing on that one piece Comment from : Francis Luglio

So age of empires 2 is also perfectly imbalanced, isnt it? Comment from : Lebensgott

Life is unbalanced Comment from : joseph jackson

wow this is OLD Comment from : Tomáš Mačák

Nope Comment from : Cedric Lindsey

3 years late but I’m here to say Mario Kart Wii k thanks bye Comment from : Dry

If League would just allow the metagame to develop on it's own instead of forcing a meta changing patch down the players' throats every two weeks Comment from : Kalenz

I had this idea: brSo A is better than average brThus it is used alotbrPeople find B, witch can beat A, leading to a drop off of AbrThe A player' find C, witch can defeat b, so they look for something to defeat cbrA can defeat C, leading to about even number's of player's using each Comment from : Mason Silvers

I miss these EC episodes Can't believe it's been 7 years, learnt so much about game design and decisions Comment from : isei8388

brigitte in ow, being good at healing slefsustain, cc, dmg and utility perfect imbalance -- Comment from : ManiX207

If this came out in 2018 ther would be so many thanos jokes Comment from : Angel

5:44 Mario Odyssey Prediction (:() Comment from : NightFore

How’s this system work? Basically, I have three classes Laser, Gas, and Melee Laser shoots with quick mid-damage far-ranged attacks from strategic placements Gas uses mid-ranged high-damage motion and timed bombs to take down enemiesbrMelee uses shields and heavy damaging rush attacks to approach enemies and take them outbrbrLaser beats gas due to range, gas beats Melee due to it’s range and ability to attack around shields, and melee beats laser due to its shield rush However, melee has a competitive edge over gas as well due to it’s rush down tactics, allowing it to be only slightly edged out in terms of tier by itbrbrThese are just the basic three enemy types, and I would add more fighters later on that would possibly counter more powerful typesbrbrAlso, gas has a heavy attack that launches a large range high damage bomb (although this leaves it open to attack if missed)brbrIs this an example of good imbalance? Comment from : Sir Nesbit

Imperfectly balanced, as all games should be Comment from : Snarfulhu Socks

2:50 XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD i know its an outdated video but its funny to hear XD league and balance is no near to eachother Comment from : Tasi

Well kids, now let's talk about Clash Royale Comment from : Mixis19

Yeet! 100! Comment from : Bala Murali Shanmugam

honestly i dont think the creator of this understands how to make an actually fun balanced competitive game League of legends is probably the worst example of a game that is fun and it is dying specifically because of what he is talking about It's not fun to be forced to play specific champions because they are flavor of the month brbrAlso he ironically criticizes starcraft for this, but is actually wrong in a lot of ways Firstly starcraft 1 was literally impossible to master, and that was kind of the point You didn't "need to reach a certain level of play in order to develop strategies" Day9 talks about this in more detail in his "starcraft remastered rant" video brbrStarcraft 2 is probably closer to what he is talking about, but even that is incorrect I played at a high masters(which is effectively top few thousand people in the country) level of play on all three races, but my "APM" which is a common indicator of your ability to play the game fast was less than half that of a regular professional starcraft player(it was around 100) But i could still take some games off of people who were signifcantly faster than me because i played the game constantly and developed strategies that were extremely hard to stop, but relatively easy to execute, and knew the game well enough to develop a long term game plan that again was hard to stop but easy to execute brbrMy point is that imbalance creates less variety, and makes a game stale even if you change what is imbalanced every couple of weeks Comment from : Max Kline

thanos disliked the video 909 times Comment from : LilDreamer

Clash royal is a perfect example of this Comment from : david vidic

Thanos disliked Comment from : Miguel Anjo

Perfectly imbalanced, as all things should be Comment from : Vincent Lim

Imposebol i just say Comment from : Jorun Holm

Sorry no mean Extra credit video contents are very useful But i can't hear what he said @@ It's too fast, and too hard to understand what he's talking about! Poor me, i think i can't follow his accent! Anyway, thanks for making these useful videos! Comment from : Đức Anh Lê

100x undying praise Comment from : Chris Jackson

buff darius again rito hear that ? imbalance Comment from : Last Prophet

I dislike the cyclical imbalance It keeps the game changing, but it can be a bi frustrating When ever you queue into a game, there is a chance that you will go up aganst someone that counters you, or that you counter them At that point the outcome of the game isn't really decided by skill now that one player has a huge advantage Comment from : Grant M

Mtg ain’t about finding an edge It’s about not letting the other player have fun Comment from : joe sunshine

Perfectly Balanced brbrAs all thing should be Comment from : WE Are numBOO one

Perfectly unbalanced Comment from : SIYAC

5:32 Comment from : Goggle Face

This sounds a lot like power creep Hmm Comment from : Douglas Pantz

indubitably Comment from : Evan Nagao

The rock paper scissor mechanic is a pretty cheap thing for a strategy game in total war IMO Comment from : Rey Bladen

Does this explains the gameplay of war thunder? Comment from : Fulcrum29

"Perfectly imbalanced, like some things should be" Comment from : Farsitone64

Dead ringer isn't balenced Comment from : Dylan U

Doom 2016 had a great imbalanced online Comment from : Troglodyte420

Pokemon has done this for a long time Comment from : Dylan Bednarz

This is why I say fuck the Meta, main Garen, Support with Gangplank and jungle with Mordekaiser Comment from : Kreiser_VII

This is why paladins is better than overwatch, everyone's overpowered making noone underpowered Comment from : Casey Ogden

They predicted super Mario odissie with the picture Comment from : Rose Warrior

Thanos would disagree Comment from : Sacha Durig

Try robocraft, good game , unbalanced in such a way that it makes you constantly try new strategies, they are almost unique for every match Comment from : Luis G

1:07 I have that chess set! Comment from : Awesomeness101

SO DOWN FOR ANOTHER 100! Comment from : youtoober2013

I was SO confused in the beginning lol Comment from : youtoober2013

there is cyclical imbalance in sc2 as the meta strategy keeps changing as people find new ones to counter the broken ones Comment from : Keir Fraser

TF2 cart heavies Just so OP bthat/b is unbalanced except snipers Buuuuuut even that doesn't always work Comment from : Musky The Husky

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