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Unleashing the Power of the Mars Cycler: SpaceX Starship to play a huge part?

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You are amazing, so much to think about The supply ship could leave a year ahead and slowly get up to speed while the ship with people could back track a few days so the rendezvous is near the planet so if something happens they would still be close to earth or Mars You could stage many ships, supply, repair, pass through, all in the loop slowly waiting to line up and dock If building it is automated build the core and engine and get it on its orbit before the majority of mass is added Have all the parts slowly getting up to speed ahead of it Get enough so people can stay aboard and begin transferring people before it’s even complete Heck, it may never be really complete since some of the early pieces might need to be un hooked and upgraded in flight It’s always that first push that needs the most energy, now we have thousands of little pushes Comment from : Stef Farfignugen

Could a deep space ship have a detachable drone to act as a shield from the sun? It would travel along side at distance? Comment from : charles miller

will be great Comment from : Fizz

Great show Marcus,thanks Comment from : Jesse Hanson

I saw on another YouTube channel the angry astronaut that we could make a sustainable habitat for humans in space mining and asteroid and breaking it up and spinning it using a carbon fiber bag that would eventually be used as a habitat for humans and rotating creating artificial gravity Why don't we just do this do send it to that Mars earth orbit and save the cost is so many launches since the asteroid is already out there in space? Comment from : Todd Gardner

It is a stupid idea - as it take the same amount of effort to match the recycler as it does to go ahead and go to Mars without it About the same amount of sillyness as building an ocean airport in the middle of the atlantic in the 1930s to allow airplanes to refuel before continuing on to the UK By the time it could be built, airplanes were able to fly to the EU without refueling Comment from : Jesse Pollard

Have you looked into the Gateway Foundation people? They’re attempting to build a rotating space station with robots Comment from : Luis Goff, Jr

I thought we are about to test rockets that could get us to Mars in 12 days? Comment from : Heath Walker

We could even cheat a little bit and use space debris or the khyber belt couldn't we Comment from : matt cox

Marcus don't change a thing Awesome! Comment from : Big Bob

As long as we will not use antigravity devices that primitive practice of burning some mind of fuel in rockets will bring but expenses and delay for the development of efficient travel techniques Same for fossil fuels to propulse vehicles on earth Comment from : Luc Schoesetters

what is intersting is that this could be to take cargo to mars Comment from : Tapestry of God

U only have 2 cyclers Thus no margin for error in regards going to mars and coming backbrThe obvious solution is to have 4 Each leg has two cyclers each separated by 3 months So it one cycler on a leg is missed for whatever reason the next is 3months behind rather than 2yrs as per only 2 cycler solutionbrWhat is clear is that the cycler is the solution and the business case for nuclear propulsion, which I thought was not viable economically until I watched this video brAmazing stuff and very interesting I can see why NASA is developing them Comment from : Gargamel And Rudmila

My answer to cyclers -> robots Comment from : ThinWolf

Why not launch more space stations 12 to 24 they would be coming by Earth all the time Comment from : Mark Good

Interesting Comment from : Nicholas Nerios

I absolutely agree that for any long term commitment, like this to succeed, it is essential that the project is made safe from the destructive meddling of politicians Comment from : Station Plaza

I don't see that system practical and it takes a long time to rendezvous with Earth and it would still take 6 to 8 months to travel to mars Comment from : Rico Ramirez

Dont forgot having artificial gravity would allow you to shit in peace without nearly the amount of suction involved in the process Comment from : Bacon The Vainglorious

We need a 0 gravity space ship factory in space Comment from : Vishmitha Sivasinghe

Tried to edit my comment to add that what I am talking about is open source and a voluntary community Comment from : Athamanatha Kitsune

Mars could work If we had 1 million Elon Musk and half of them would change genderbrBecause it will not be self sustainable with normal people And what good is there of a lifeboat that sinks faster than the main ship? Comment from : Vens Roofcat

and there goes the moon "spaceballs" Comment from : Eric DOgum

But wouldn't you just have to use much more delta-v to reach those ciclers, than you need for a hohman transfer to mars? Comment from : TheLiberalNerd

That was great Thanks man Comment from : Benjamin Lehmann

Cycles would only have to make the second round trip and you’ve halved your costs or doubled your profits The days of single use equipment used for anything going off planet should be consigned to the 60’S everything must be made to last and to always have a use Comment from : James Dean

To complex fro a starship station and it will take 20 years to build The Nuclear thrust is good Comment from : Harry Ottele

Thank you for this fascinating program! Hope we do this, and please call it The Aldrin Cycler Comment from : John Baxter

😊 Comment from : Thomas Dillon

amazing video dude! subscribed Comment from : coleswaggins

no if 1 blows they all blow no circle Comment from : Kevin Tumblin

next on adult cartoon network Comment from : Intello

I've been thinking about this concept a little more since you first posted it on the 15th of July (and have thought about it before that) The hang-up for me is the complexity of the process It seems to me that the goal in the next ten years is to develop a reliable, reusable mission architecture based on direct-to-Mars (and back again) spacecraft Aside from simplicity, this approach would also avoid the potential issues that would come with a spacecraft that is in operation for (potentially) a decade or longer brbrPut simply, no matter how well we've designed and built a product (particularly one as complex as a spacecraft for human use), things will go wrong When things go wrong on something that is readily accessible, that is problematic enough But if something goes wrong on a cycler, our ability to repair will be greatly impaired by distance and by latency of communicationsbrbrAs to the other main topic in this video (artificial gravity), I'm really skeptical about any design that would require bearings What do I mean by this? Simply put, if one spins up only a part of the structure, there will be a collar with bearings (and complex pressure retention structures) to link that part of the structure with the rest brbrIn my view, the simplest and most robust way of spinning up a spacecraft (preferably one that ensures the space travellers are "standing" in habitats that are at least 50 metres away from the hub of the structure) is to spin the whole thing as a single unit No bearings Comment from : A Canuck

Cool video, we just have to remember that the only thing that Nasa or SpaceX sends to space is your imagination, there is a reason because they hire more digital artists than Disney, all science fiction and special effects Comment from : Climbingworkouts

Very interesting and realistic video I hope it happens that way! Thanks Comment from : Treefarm

we should be able to get plenty of various metals from the asteroid belt Comment from : ldgilman

Seriously? We have the technology to do all of this, because we are doing it RIGHT NOW! The only reason we are not doing it on a scale required for this kind of travel is because the greedy powers to be won't take money out of the equation If people would stop thinking of ways to make them richer and make the human species better, you would be amazed what can be done Comment from : SV Freaki Tiki

Titan Aerodynamic Engineering has already designed a space station that provide artificial gravity that is far superior This is nothing new, you're late to the race there buddy Nice try though Comment from : SV Freaki Tiki

Could we make a space elevator on Mars with current materials? Comment from : Adam Devereaux

On the starship cycler, have all the starships able to pivot to face forward Once the desired velocity is achieved, they could pivot out again and a simple thrust of it's gimbaled Raptor viola we have gravity a quick reverse would slow it enough to have a safe rendezvous! Comment from : Leon Fischer

Thanks Comment from : Neil Joseph

Could we have a Earth - Moon cycler? Comment from : Andrew Baker

Buzz forever blotted his copybook by refusing to take pictures of Neil on the moon His camera was returned unused much to the annoyance of NASA as we were denied pictures of the first human on the moon His jealousy and hubris will be his legacy Comment from : Seminal Ideas

I think the best way to get some shielding would be to capture an asteroid Or put a spin-launcher on the moon and hurl some rocks up to the lunar orbiter Shape them before launching and piece them together in space to form a shield Comment from : Elliott Svenkeson

Great job, excellently explained Comment from : Hermes Morell

Now we just have to figure out why we need to go to Mars in the first place?lol Comment from : VGO VGER

The cycler is a MUST Not to mention, there is a need for spacestation on the Mars orbit So, maybe the first trip from Earth to Mars bring TWO such spinnrings (one station, one cycler) and the tuging spaceship, and release the cycler from Mars to Earth Comment from : Ultramarinus247

Phobose?? It's greek Marcus "Pho boss" :-) but great video as always you are the best on you tube!! Comment from : Templar7832

isn't the same as Hohmann transfer orbit? Comment from : walter bishop

We are investing too much time in launching Starship from Mother Earth There will likely be a time when StarShip will be launched directly from the moon without needing much power Comment from : Andrew Mallia

They'll have to tell the public there's aliensif we went to Mars the ship would be swarmed by alien craft wanting to see what the humans are up to! Comment from : duckbilledspaghettipuss

Hasn't anyone noticed that the return trip from Mars to Earth should only take less than a month instead of the mistaken stated duration of 5 months? Comment from : RosesSmell

Orbital Assembly was bought and is named Above Space or something like that Comment from : Harry Plendl

That idea is genius Comment from : Drawing with Lynne

But why?brbrWhat’s wrong with nuclear rockets? Comment from : HolyMusicStops

Marcus, these deep dive videos educate me and fill my imagination with possibilities It's a gift and I for one am very appreciative of all the effort you put in Love this channel, love the content Thank you ❤ Comment from : Josh G

Rotating rings will not be able to perform aero-braking, an orbit entry maneuver that require little fuel, taking advantage of atmospheric friction It's wide shape may cause it to tumble, due to asymmetric drag Comment from : brookestephen

Excellent program Very exciting to see what humans will get up to in the next five hundred years Thanks, mate!❤ Comment from : Creative Cabin

Am I correct in assuming that nothing of notice happened this past week, and you needed to release this video to keep the weekly content coming? Comment from : Joshua Gold

This ring looks like a perfect fuel depot! Tie into the header tanks in the nose Dock multiple ships and refill one before it goes on mission to moon/mars A fuel station in space! Comment from : Tyler Silcott

2:51 "and our future second home" Positive thinking, one day it will happen! Comment from : Geo Brower

Superb masterclass on this fascinating topic A huge well done again, Marcus, thanks a million!! Comment from : Dog-Lover John

hopefully we'll grab tic-tac-tech/ UAP technology before all of this is necessary! ;-7 Comment from : RSEFX

for cyclers to work, you need space stations at the source and destination You have to separate the functions of landing on a planet/moon from joining the cycler Can you imagine just how much fuel is needed for each trip? You could ferry fuel to the orbiting stations for use by the cycler taxis That way cycler taxis don't have to land, and can be designed without atmospheric protection, parachutes and landing legs - a huge savings in weight which conflates to higher speeds for less fuel Comment from : brookestephen

releasing just one dreamchaser-type crew transport from a rotating habitat will destabilize the ring and open all the units to vacuum You cannot put removable heavy objects on the outer ring You just cannot Besides, the Dzanibekov effect will flip the whole habitat and rip it apart Comment from : brookestephen

Assuming either nuclear powered plasma engines or nuclear thermal engines the Earth-Mars transit should only take 2-3 months in either direction Both are too expensive to be the dominant travel mode Cyclers get quite cheap if we have robots and are like luxury cruise ships, twice the time but a cheap super nice ride 2nd gen cyclers could easily have a full G Cyclers aren't much good for shipping but are perfect for leisurely folk in a post scarcity society Comment from : T Samuel

One thing about flying round planets has anyone ever flown under and over Comment from : James Collins

Good Videos MarcusbrbrKeep us space nerds updated Comment from : Sarel Prinsloo

David Adair Comment from : Irvin Chambers

Using an active propellant tank as a counterweight makes no sense As the propellant is burnt the mass decreases and the system becomes unstable Comment from : Stephen Deverell

How long before Musk claims to have invented the cycler station idea in his religious instruction class in Pretoria as a 15 year old? Comment from : PrepareYourBusinessForSale

Could the same thing be done for lunar missions? Comment from : Jason Jack

A ring of cylers is the most reliable and trustworthy worthy idea 2 1/2 years gap wont be acceptable Comment from : Nischay Soni

Brilliant Thank you Marcus Comment from : Matthew Hart

Great video Marcus and team 👏 Comment from : Brett Thompson

How long will the cycler be “relatively” close to Earth? Say, inside the moon’s orbit? 72 hours? 96? Is there a possibility of using the moon to slingshot cargo to the cycler or brake cargo from the cycler back to Earth? Comment from : joshstew85

That is a great idea and a corollary is to continue to launch new cyclers into the same cycling orbit approximately one month apart so you have one passing either earth or mars every month with continuous resupply every month That way you could continue to send new building materials and equipment every month and if someone needed to come back to earth, they would only have to wait a month for the next cycler to pass along What a stellar idea, No? Comment from : Windmolen Farm

Wow, I know what I'm trying in KSP next!! Actually I'm surprised you managed to avoid using any KSP footage for this video, at least none that I noticed! Comment from : The Large Hardon Collider

At 0:12, why is there a treadmill on the wall of the rotating habitat? Shouldn't that be on the curved floor instead? Comment from : Artor

12:40 NASA: “…bring me the BEST Minecraft players this sorry dirtball has to offer…” THIS summer, Armageddon 2: The GREATEST Minecraft Patch EVER” will be the GREATEST movie… you’ve EVER experienced Comment from : ZeldaKissedLink

If we're supposing nuclear engines anyway, there's no point in the added complexity of having separate cyclers for the legs of the journey Just slow down / speed up one cycler Or have arbitrarily many cyclers constantly running along the course of the cycle The cost of delta v already becomes trivial with reusable chemical rockets; nuclear would be a quantum leap above that in efficiency Comment from : Silas McNunyabidness

Looks great on Paper Is at least 50 years away in terms of technology Maybe 150 Comment from : Ugly German Truths

Great analysis Elon is a bit megalomaniacal with his 100 person star ships Comment from : Amoroso Gombe

i think u will find this interesting Comment from : Tafadzwa Gono

JUST got done reading The Martian, so this was perfectly timed Comment from : Ryan N

Wow, this is so interesting! Comment from : Sachen machen

Why no weekly updates this week? Comment from : David Ben-Avram

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