First Move Advantage - How to Balance Turn-Based Games - Extra Credits

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One game that breaks this rule is Poker In poker the last player has the advantage because they see how everyone reacts to the current stakes before they decide Its the best position to bluff, pressure opponents, or to fold with the least amount of risk Now the reason why this works in poker than other card games like magic is because you mostly play from the hand so the opponents won't know what you have until you reveal it I'm sure there is a lot more nuances and details I'm missing but would love to see an detail analysis on why Poker breaks this rule compared to other games
Comment from : Gallowglass

Something interesting is speech and debate actually combats first move advantage well in this case first speech advantage Basically around structure is built pro speaks first con speak second pro speaks third con speaks fourth and fifth and pro Speaks sixth and a lot of people have actually said that being on con is better because of the block
Comment from : William Spatz

They have necks its so weird to see them have necks
Comment from : Viewused

Turn-Based b*/b Multiplayer*** Games
Comment from : Michael

In magic the gathering, the only times that you want to go second is manaless dredge, which is a degenerate strategy
Comment from : Francesco Gnerre

Heh, first move dosent mean much if I can get off a board wipe
Comment from : Logan JamesonHatch

dear godbrTHEY HAVE ARMS
Comment from : Unknown Legend

The connected wrists scared me
Comment from : Northfall _

Perfectly balanced, as all things should be
Comment from : Alexander Wu

I would make the first attack stronger for battle games
Comment from : DeathMane

2:12 I think you should have rewritten that
Comment from : Marshiboi

When did you improve graphics on your characters? :O
Comment from : dumnor

I always play black in chess and I still win often
Comment from : Димитър Иванов

Its because certifikat combos needs you to cast a spell rhigt?
Comment from : Christian Holm Dall

1:20
Comment from : Christian Holm Dall

I agree with the hearthstone Going second is best
Comment from : Austin Wang

What do people think of Legends of Runeterra's balance ( sans Deny ) ?
Comment from : Alex Ursu

I love the new art style
Comment from : Lengewene The green man

Homm3, turn 1 armagedon
Comment from : Johan Bee

nowdays, in go games the player who go 1st (black) win 55 of the time on average (with the bonus) as oppose to 54 in chess so supposedly the bonus isnt high enoughbrbut, thats only true to human players AI tend to win more with whitebrbrso, according to the computers, the bonus is to big and we are just not smart enough to use it efficiently
Comment from : MazerT

I prefer mono-green man-ramp in MTG I love second turn moves because of the extra draw is soo good for a ramp deck But wizards did a great job of balancing it, I have friends that love first turn just as much because of those 1/1's with haste, or other cool effects
Comment from : CatFish21sm

so Yu-Gi-Oh would de am hibrid resourses game? sonce you "could" get all pieces from turn 1, BUT you must have the skill to build and drive your deck towards this goal???🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
Comment from : Exodojosue tcg

What about the way Pokemon solves this with speed?
Comment from : The Rabbit

Wait I am confused I thought in card games going second is actually better That was the case when I was playing Gwent (before the big patch that changed the game a lot) and I think that now the patch introduced some buffs for the player that goes first, because he is at a disadvantage
Comment from : petros papatheodorou

Any suggestions to balance out chess?
Comment from : uri argaman

Man it's weird
Comment from : Reyhan Joger

Yugioh needs this
Comment from : Mysticdestruction AJ

What if you let both players go at once?
Comment from : Lukas Novella

Try playing mario party when you have the last turn You will feel the pain
Comment from : Charles Wood

Is anyone aware of a turn based game using the Thule Morse sequence (abbabaabbaababba etc) to dictate the move order? Might have some interesting results
Comment from : Syn

Their had NECKS!!!
Comment from : Stormy Sparks

I've been doing some amount of amateur, homebrew game design In one tactical combat game I designed, I let the player who goes first not get to make attacks (only moves) on his two first turns, while the player who goes second is only restricted from doing attacks on his first turn Thus, one player gets to start moving one turn before the other guy, but the other guy gets to start shooting one turn before
Comment from : Anders Korsbäck

WHY IS THERE ARMS
Comment from : Eagle72

50/50 chance, obvius
Comment from : Hoodie Guy

Hexapawn: bam I a joke to you?/b
Comment from : Jonathan Madi

The 2nd is better because you get to counter the first player
Comment from : the lumberjack King

i would say hs does it pretty badly, to the point when in most cases its arguably better to start as second than first
Comment from : Manaeth

Uhmm pokemon anyone? Really it is still turn based but you can change who goes first Any one know what I mean?
Comment from : Guiller Eiardo Logronio

And here is a pretty decent question too; How do you deal with Second-Player advantage? Hearthstone gets that a fair amount There is also a huge difference if you are Black due to already condemning white due to their first turn
Comment from : Mira Ruiz

Hey, can you do an episode based on the RTS and how it works for StarCraft 2?
Comment from : Mira Ruiz

I rather be second in turn so i can counter my opponents move
Comment from : The battle Burrito

In one edition of Warhammer Fantasy, Bretonnian players could surrender the chance to have the first turn in return for an invulnerable save for most of their models Which ofcourse meant you always surrendered the first turn!
Comment from : Spiz103

1:17 Not "overbalanced", overcompensated and therefore unbalanced
Comment from : Raphaelus13

I saw Go!! Wooooooo!!!
Comment from : Shawn Ray

actuallt for chess there is a strategy to make black strongerbrbrforgot what it was calledbrbri think it was french defense
Comment from : marthvon

Your videos are always helpfull!
Comment from : Thijs Hoogenbosch

Just found it this is your least popular video
Comment from : Bez

I know i am late but as a chess player i always liked playing second at chess because I hate over thinking and is scared that my opponent is bored but that is just my opinion
Comment from : Indigo flamingo

Chess is racist
Comment from : Our pets are Cute

Gugugagigugagigugugughugyugugugagi
Comment from : Jorun Holm

Baybiy
Comment from : Jorun Holm

You have sharp tefth
Comment from : Jorun Holm

You look like a Real human
Comment from : Jorun Holm

This is handled in chess by playing more than one game during which you get to play an equal amount of white and black games
Comment from : Mark Bukovich

XCOM solves this problem very simply brbrBy being hard as fuck regardless
Comment from : Liam Fris

THE ANIMATION OH GOD ITS SO SO different
Comment from : Damian Rodriguez

Mana WyrmbrCoin brArcane Missiles
Comment from : timeless

I like having the 2nd move, I get to see what my opponent wants to do and think it through
Comment from : AndroKing

Its fun with yugioh It used to be a first turn advantage, but after they change the draw to the second turn It switched to a second turn advantage Because most decks benefit from draw power
Comment from : Little3Pigs

Thanks ;]
Comment from : MrMetalsun

Dan has a neck 0__0
Comment from : John Cargille

me and my friends are making a card game but every kind if game we play or make one friend can cheat or find the most op and never lose after finding a strategy so basically we need ti stop people and strategys like him
Comment from : gabbie kavanov

Plants Vs zombies heroes does it very well
Comment from : Nicholas Hakala

I now want to know the history of turn based games in an extra history after that tid-bit about Go
Comment from : anxez

I mean, Advance Wars hasn't had any problem afaik
Comment from : bco

Thanks when I start to make video games I will keep this in mind because this is the sort of game I want to develope
Comment from : Jacoobins

I would say chess is a crossbreed between static and developed Yes, all the pieces are available at the outset of the game, but the positions these pieces are in determines their power In the early phase, getting your pieces out on the board, not in the starting positions, is essential, and actually called "developing" your pieces Getting pieces in the right position is the equivalent of developing resources
Comment from : AntVision

I prefer being the second turn in yugioh
Comment from : The Condescending Goomba

I like this drawing style
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Thank you for using the bobomb battle field theme(I love Mario)
Comment from : Mango Squad

Omg lol Xd
Comment from : MrOofio64

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Comment from : worldrenownedpsycho

high level chess players don't win over 50 of the times in white it usually ends in a tie
Comment from : Udi Matalon

Yu-Gi-Oh screwed this up bBAAAAADDDD/b
Comment from : elemomnialpha

Funny enough, I always preferred playing as black in chess So I could identify and react to my opponents intentions And in strategy games, I do my best on defense
Comment from : Alexander Rahl

Duelyst Duelyst
Comment from : Fawntox

Grate gest art
Comment from : Retrodistroyer

this art is great
Comment from : Kai Zhang

Yugioh: Cyber dragon deck needs to play second or you are a cyber dragon lozer lol
Comment from : ZOMG

When I play Gwent in the Witcher, I always want to play second I find it best to react to my opponent rather than make my opponent react to me It lets me do stuff like pass a round if my opponent plays an uber-powerful combination of cards without wasting loads of mine, use a Scorch card without risking my own players, stuff like that
Comment from : James Bennett