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When Difficult Is Fun - Challenging vs. Punishing Games - Extra Credits

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Blinx The Time Sweeper also allows the player to approach problems by time manipulation Not only that, it allows the player to approach the game in however way they want and they can use any time power without any restriction Comment from : Sir Moony

challenging vs punishing? punishing is fun as well wtf, i'd call it more "challenging vs annoying" Comment from : TheRhalf

With regard to changing rules in challenging games, you can do it, just you need to make player aware of it You can do it 2 ways: 1) Show the new NPC demonstrating their mechanics on another NPC before turning to player Its a very simple way to telegraph new mechanics especially for bosses 2) put player in a safe situation for them to learn new mechanics the hard way giving ample health before hand and making the space it self safe to move around in This is good for introducing a new enemy type that the player will see intrepidly brWith regards to short re spawn timers, i find that encourages the player to throw bodies at the problem if you put the challenging part too close and too fast to the re spawn Comment from : AnadiaShark

I love challenging games because the process of getting better is fun and achieving victories which makes all the time you put into your improvement worth it Always enjoyed that way and always will Comment from : NasaPeepo

If I die in a game that's challenging, I'm okay with that because it was my own fault and not some cheap mechanic in a game or restrictions Comment from : Andy Canoy

Blood Bowl is both! Comment from : Matt Slater

As a kid I started of playing on easy and when that got boring I started challenging my self more and more as i got older yes i raged and everything but it was worth it but it bothers me when you choose hard mode or the highest difficulty and its not even that difficult Comment from : TheSuperhuman622

I took like eight years off from Yu-Gi-Oh I did that time the game sped up drastically and now people are pulling off massive combos on their first turn and kicking my butt without me being able to do anything about it and that sucks because I have no idea how to do that myself because they’re using cards that I have no idea how to use Comment from : Tom Curl

A good example of this concept is Escape from Tarkov Comment from : Giovanni Ouano

Touhou Project was like the hardest game series from my childhood and it didn't stop me from getting into it though It was pretty much like some Donkey Kong Country equivalent of classic shoot 'em ups difficulty wisebrbrThank gosh, I've been able to actually 1cc Double Dealing Character on normal thanks to that flash game gem called Reactance 2 which my cousin had me play mainly for training my danmaku game skills Comment from : KoishiWii8

I really like the game battle cats because it has core rules and is very complicated, but I also hate it at the same time because it involves a lot of RNG Comment from : Empires Of The Undergrowth Grind

Can a game also be punishing because of its Design? Comment from : Elke Gut

Senator Armstrong boss fight Comment from : The Spiciest Meme

“Punishing games will never succeed”br>me getting blown up by a t3 cruiser in my t1 battleship in EVEbrThe exception since 2002 Comment from : TheBirdMan

What I want are games that are difficult but still respect my time Comment from : Colassal Games

5:57 - u made me close chrome Comment from : Aeviarth-the-Dragoness

Am surprised that he didn't mention enter the gungeonbrbrCuz gungeon is hard but if you beat a boss and take no damage you get a heath upgrade 100 percent of the time Comment from : Lukas Vasiliauskas

meanwhile eve online: my game is punishing and fun Comment from : Sparky

EverQuest to world of warcraft hit my soul I started eq and wow both the day they dropped And eq well into Panda expac in wow even still It's so painfully true and a perfect metaphors for the change Comment from : David Townsend

R A I NbrbrW O R L D Comment from : nobody

Project Zomboid Comment from : Monstertruck

8 years ago? WhaaaaAAAAAAATTT???!!! Comment from : RealKipper

BALDO dev should watch this Comment from : Prz

This is what Path of Exile 2021 is becoming A punishing game Comment from : Arc Gonzales

punishment isn't 100 bad tho yes it is defiantly not good for the mass market but the correct amount of punishment can often lead to feeling bigger victories this video tries to show the difference between challenging and punishing and it does a good job and I agree with the interpretation of that but it also says the punishing mechanics in games are strictly bad and i totally disagree with thatpunishing mechanics are for sure more niche and are not for everyone but there is totally a place for them and they are not 100 dev just need to ask them selfs if they are making an easy game or a game with many challenging difficulties OR a hard game with punishing mechanics OR!!!!! (even more niche but still fine) a super hardcore omg fuck this game experience there is room for all types of games on the market Comment from : Spencer Charles

I still haven't finished Cuphead but I still think it's an amazing game no matter what Comment from : [Archive]

I really hope GGG watches this Comment from : TerrenceTSK

"Punishing games will never succeed" Valheim says hi! Comment from : OO OO

1:40 Maximum is one of the hardest PS2 games You can't even save without spending 100 coins Comment from : SunlightGwyn

5:56 brMe who just played Warframe for just 30 minutes learning the move: *Wait, why is this move even difficult*?? Comment from : Reden Riot

Spiritscience ? Comment from : ALRuly

Did not expect a Warframe examplebrBut even more so such a bad onebrSpin slash was so easy, simple and fun to spam Comment from : Basbas192

Hello Asmongold fanswellcome Comment from : Orlando

8 years later truuuuu Comment from : Bigcricket

GREAT VIDEO <3 Comment from : Cryax The Fellarm

I think I know why stick war (2009) kicks my butt even the lowest difficulty noe Comment from : James Potter

i enjoy punishing games Comment from : Jerome Doyle

Well, I didn't expect any discussion of Dark Souls to come out with an example of the "Difficult" rather than "Punishing" side ;) Comment from : grailchaser

4:55 me:thats why I hate playing hard games and only enjoy games and levels that are easy Comment from : Jacob the cork

Dark souls HAHAHAHA! enemies can hit you through walls FFS! Comment from : WayT101

Why did production costs skyrocket tho? Comment from : Nemo

John 316-21 Jesus saves Comment from : christopher

Haha dark souls 1-3 go BRRRRRR Comment from : Evan Joyal

I'm a weird one I've beaten Dark Souls 1, 2 and 3 Including Demon Souls/Bloodborne However, I'm god awful at games like HALO on Legendary difficulty Comment from : John Smith

"Make the games difficult, not impossible" brDwarf Fortress would like to have a word with you Comment from : Cornelis

Arma 3 is incredibly difficult but it's amazing Comment from : WyattXD

That Fire Emblem problem could've been very easily solved with either some telegraphing, ALa: dark energy forming, or with a single use "Undo" button Comment from : Tralfazz74

In Bowser's Fury it took me longer to get in the colosseum than to die in the second fight with Boom BoombrIn Mario Maker when I was trying to learn shell jumps it seemed like I was doing the same thing the few times it worked as I was doing the ton of times it didn't I never learned what I was doing right or wrong Comment from : Megan Weber

W A A A A I I Comment from : creeperguy999

One example of a very hard and yet fun game is Enter the Gungeon, it's on Epic Store Comment from : Lucas Moreno

You sound like ben shapiro ew Comment from : Cyan Orange

5:50 Laughs in controller Comment from : sand_sand

"Easy to learn, hard to master" is the best kind of game Comment from : Maas Bekooy

I did Shift Ctrl W E on youtube, and i closed the browser well now i know Comment from : Lincolns New Account

I haven't seen wai in a long time Comment from : CONEHEAD999

Last Comment from : Cat

5:52 Me who’s a console player Comment from : slackoon

I was watching this thinking “when are they gonna talk about celeste?” Until I realized: this video is from 2013 Comment from : Ryan R

Make them hard not annoying brbrbrbrbspelunky 2 most roblox RPG’s fnaf world match games/b Comment from : Cool kid so cool

F in the Chat for Kongregate Comment from : CCCAAAKKKEEE

cough cough undertale is amzing and shows diffaculty with items and easy to retry boss fights cough Comment from : pp

But what ab difficult multiplayer games? Comment from : Strange

Why can't covid just follow these simple guidelines? Comment from : Pimp My Forklift

In short, to understand what's is a punishing game, think of Cat Mario, and a hard one, PvZ ECLISE Comment from : Pedro Ivo GS

7:01brbrCrash 4 Comment from : Sonen10

6:09 brTroll level makers on Super Mario Maker 2:br👁👄👁 Comment from : Nicolas Inguanti

I think Many lazy and/or untalented devs these days try to make their games "difficult & challenging" simply by denying you any form of save system, and simply forcing you to play the game from the very start every time you loose Unless the game is very brief (you dont take hours and hours to finish a run), this is a cheap & lazy idea of "difficulty" This works in (for example) FTL because its brief But doing it in games like Shortest trip to earth, They are billions, etc That take hours, its a complete fail on the devs IMO Comment from : elvampir0

pressed shift ctrl w and forgot it closes all my fucking tabs Comment from : lurky

i only reason i go anor lando for princess Comment from : TheFuryKnight

5:57 imagine using default controls for the game You can just change ctrl to c button, i constantly move in warframe by using clide Comment from : Даниил Лукин

5:58 it broke my fingerd Comment from : Powerlevelvlog1089

Bennet Foddy: Imma pretend i didn't see that (no hate intended) Comment from : NotAGenestealer

YOUbrDEFEATED Comment from : colmhain

No invulnerable monsters? bBridge wyvern has entered the chat/b Comment from : Mayonnaise

Divine Pulse (FE3H) solved Fire Emblem's long iteration problem, if a little heavy-handedly Comment from : Christian Daniel

Hades vs Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance Comment from : cloverISL

Me a few days ago: bSits down to play Celeste/bbrMe: time to enjoy some difficult platformingbrController drift: punishing*b****/b Comment from : ConnorConnor

Cuphead is hard but not punishing Comment from : johan floyd c dela cruz

Enter the dungeon is so perfect in this respect Comment from : land lord

witcher 3 is cool Comment from : Thetree

0:37brbshivers in touhou/bbroh god, there's even haRDEr Comment from : Niiue

I find botw making a good “harder mode” Comment from : مُحَمَّد🇲🇦

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